Monday, November 5, 2012

Abraham, the Patriarch, the Father of Faith - Creates the Ultimate Problem for UOJ



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"I cannot believe in something unless it has already happened."

So they must believe in the preexistence of souls?

4 Then the word of the Lord came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir.” 5 He took him outside and said, “Look up at the heavens and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”

6 Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness.

Isaac and the multitude of Abraham's descendents must have already been in existence, otherwise there is no way Abraham could have believed the promise.

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GJ - But also, Christ have already died for the sins of the world, or the Promise would not have been valid.

However, the UOJ numbskulls are not bothered by the content of the actual text. They voted for UOJ in 1932 in the Brief Statement, where Romans 4:25 was cited as proof of the imaginary Easter absolution (taught by Pietists Rambach, not by the orthodox Chemnitz). All of Romans 4 is dedicated to the theme of justification by faith, climaxing with the great summary statement of Romans 5:1-2, which allows no room for UOJ.


Only one pastor has been suspended during the reign of Pope Mark Schroeder. And the reason for the suspension? - teaching justification by faith.

  • Worshiping with Babtist gay activist Andy Stanley? No problem.
  • Copying the sermons of Methodist Craig Groeschel? No problem.
  • Storing man/boy rape files at the WELS headquarters? No problem.
  • A woman administering the Means of Grace? No problem.
  • Working with ELCA, who pays for abortion? No problem.
  • Promoting Thrivent, the all-religion insurance racket? No problem.
  • Opposing Luther's doctrine of justification? No problem.
  • Rejecting the Confessions? No problem.